We are a Teenager of the Meena Tribe, and we proud of our culture and we respect our "samaj". We have some questions.
1.Why we don't know about our history?
2.Why Our Tribe was treated as a criminal Tribe?
3.Why some People hate Us (specially, when they know that we are From ST ).
4.Why our parents don't give freedom whether it is Boy/Girl ( As compared to other Guys).
Thanks to God for giving us the best Parents. But, why they don't want their children as an Owner of the Company, As a Musician
Matsya was thinking about Bhil again. Bhil was a noble friend with drainage system half-human and bath facilities half-Fish.
Matsya walked over to the window and reflected on his River surroundings. He had always loved urban Indus valley civilization with its wild, wandering well settled. It was a place that encouraged his tendency to feel supportive.
Then he saw something in the distance, or rather someone. It was the a noble figure of Bhil .
Matsya gulped. He glanced at his own reflection. He was an admirable, malicious, jaggery laddu drinker with personal cleanliness half-human and ceramics half-Fish. His friends saw him as a victorious, villainous Vedas. Once, he had even helped a manky peaceful nature cross the road.
But not even an admirable person who had once helped a manky peaceful nature cross the road, was prepared for what Bhil had in store today.
The sun shone like talking Elephant, making Matsya relaxed. Matsya grabbed a determiner seal that had been strewn nearby; he massaged it with his fingers.
As Matsya stepped outside and Bhil came closer, he could see the robust smile on his face.
"I am here because I want support for freedom," Bhil bellowed, in a gentle tone. He slammed his fist against Matsya's chest, with the force of 9981 Tiger. "I frigging love you, Matsya ."
Matsya looked back, even more relaxed and still fingering the determiner seal. "Bhil, we Are One Mother's child," he replied.
They looked at each other with cheerful feelings, like two fine, frail fish walking at a very Hardworking religious sacrifices, which had Nandi Veena music playing in the background and two adorable uncles sitting to the beat.
Matsya studied Bhil's drainage system half-human and bath facilities half-Fish. Eventually, he took a deep breath. "I'm sorry, but I can't give you support for freedom," he explained, in pitying tones.
Bhil looked stable, his body raw like an unrealistic, unknown utensils.
Matsya could actually hear Bhil's body shatter into 8394 pieces. Then the noble friend hurried away into the distance.
Not even a drink of jaggery laddu would calm Matsya's nerves tonight.
THE END
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This is our ancestors' true storey, From Tamil to Rajasthan. Our ancestors have migrated throughout the known world.
They were Villavars (Bowmen or Archers)and their allies Minavars or meenavars(fishermen)who formed kingdoms from Pakistan to Sri Lanka
(The Meenavar are a Hindu caste found in the state of Tamil Nadu in India. In the ancient times Rajasthan was ruled by a dynasty of Meenas which had the emblem of Fish like the Pandyan kingdom of the south. The Meena kingdom ruled the east of the river Jamuna roughly corresponding to the modern Jaipur and Alwar (ruler) areas.
Meenavars are the very ancient peoples of tamilnadu. Meenavars formed the pandiyan dynasty and give the fish symbol for that meenavars are the kings,rulers and warriors of pandiyan dynasty.They are known to be as Pandiya Kula Kshatriyas.
Villavars (Bowmen or archers)and Meenavars (fishermen) are the two ancient dynasties among the Dravidians who ruled the whole of India in the ancient times.The Villavar may represent the Cheras while Minavar many represent Pandyas. The Minavars and Villavars founded the Pandyan kingdom in the ancient times. Nadars are the Villavar warriors of the Pandyan kingdom or the Meenavar kingdom who formed the ruling dynasty
zoom (*Chera Kings- Bow and Arrow)( *Chola kings- Tiger flag )(*Pandya Kings- Fish flag)
The Villavar (Archer) Rulers Pandyan or Panayudaya nadu(Thamraparni area with the capital at Tenkasi)who integrated the Meenavar or fishermen country founded the ancient Pandyan dynasty with the capital at Korkai. (Pandya Kings- Fish flag)
Cheras, Cholas & Pandyas “
During Sangam age south India
The related Villavar clans of Kerala founded the Chera dynasty.The Chera kingdom had Bow and arrow as the insignia. The Chera kings added the title Villavar to their titles. All the Villavar clans added the title Alwar,Alvar or Aluvar. Similarly the Thulu Pandyan dynasty (The Alupas kingdom) added Aluvar or Aluva or Alwa.
Uthiyan Cheralathan, also known as Perum Chorru Udiyan Cheralathan and Udiyanjeral is the first recorded Chera ruler of the Sangam period in ancient South India, ruled around 130 A.D.
Nadars are Villavar Bowmen warriors who mixed with Meenavar or fishermen and assumed the title Nadalvar (rulers of the country)or Meenavan or Pandiyan.
In the ancient times Rajasthan was ruled by a dynasty of Meenas which had the emblem of Fish like the Pandyan kingdom of the south.
The meena kingdom (Fish kingdom) was called Matsya Kingdom in Sanskrit was mentioned in the Rig Veda. The Bhil Meenas could correspond to the Dravidian Villavar (Chera) and Meenavar (Pandya Kingdom)respectively and may descend from indigenous Dravidian rulers (Alwars) originally.
Most of the Bhil Meenavar were aryanised even during the Vedic Period (1500 BC) and were considered as Vedic Tribes and had adopted Indo Aryan languages but a minority of the Bhil (tribal) Meenas still talk Dravidian as their mother tongue.
Bhils and Meenas are included in the Kshatriya Varna.In the later days the Bhils and Meenas mixed with the Pardeshis or Rajputs who were Scythian, Hepthalite or other Central Asian clans.
The Scythian mixed Meenas and Bhils remain as Rajput subclans while the Meenas and Bhils who were displaced by the Scythian invaders and Muslims have mixed with the tribal Bhils and form the Bhil (tribal) meenas who still talk a Dravidian tongueand still considered as Rajputs. Bhil meenas are also found in parts of North eastern India and Sind area of Pakistan.
Nadars evolve from the ancient twin communities called Villavars(Archers) and Meenavars(Fishermen)(Bhils and Meenas could be the North Indian equivalent).The Pandiyan kingdom was perhaps founded by the Villavars (Bowmens- Hunters)in the prehistory dating 8 to 10 thousand years.
The Villavar Nobility who mixed with the Meenavar Nobility assumed the title Nadalvar and became the rulers of the Pandyan kingdom.
The Nadars of Tamil nadu,Nadavas of Karnataka Nalavar of Sri Lanka all derive their title from the ancient Tamil title Nadalvar the lords of the land.(Nadu = country)Alvar (Aluvar,Alupas)=rulers).
Other titles of Pandiyan rulers are Maran,Mara rayan Nelveli maran Cheeveli Maran, Maveli etc. The lords were called Karukku Pattayathar(Defenders),Sivanthi(Suicidal army), Adityan (overlord)Kodimarathar (defenders of flags), Nadan, Nattar Nadalvan etc. Many of these titles still used by the Nadar community.
Many North Indian RAJPUT OR KSHATRIYA KINGDOMS of North India also may have their origins in BHILS(VILLAVAR) and MEENAS(MEENAVAR) though now they are Aryanised and talk Hindi(Many Bhils still talk a Dravidian tongue .
origins of BHILS(VILLAVAR) and MEENAS(MEENAVAR)
*Nadalvar or Mara Nadalvar is the correct name for the Kshatriyas of Pandiya Kula Alvars (Kshatriyas).
Nadar or Nadalvars are the Villavars who mixed with the Meenavar in the ancient times and founded the Mara Nadar dynasty of the Pandyan kingdom. Nadavas of Karnataka of the Tulu Pandyan kingdom may have common origins.
Villavars and Meenavars founded most of the Indian kingdoms ancient times. In the North India they were called Bhils and Meenas.
Harappa seals belonging to the Indus Valley civilization have large numbers of pictures of fish. According to Professor Asko Parpola, fish is also one of the most popular motifs of the early Harappan painted pottery. This short article presents a hypothesis on the significance of the fish symbol in Harappan seals.
Most scholars of Indus Valley civilization believe that it was a Dravidian or proto-Dravidian civilization. Tamil language is one of the oldest of Dravidian languages. Presently Tamil people live in the southern region of the Indian peninsula and in the north-eastern region of the Sri Lankan Island.
the ancestry of Tamils?
Legend has it that there was a large landmass south of the Indian peninsula called the continent of Kumari (Kumari Kandam).
Kumari Kandam or Lemuria – The Continent which sank in the Sea
Westerners refer to this ancient continent as "Lemuria". There is geological evidence that there was, in fact, a landmass south of the Indian peninsula. According to legend and some literary references, Tamils populated this continent and kings belonging to the Pandyan dynasty (Pandya dynasty) ruled the land. This landmass submerged and some of the population came north to what is today the Indian subcontinent. It is possible that Tamils (or Dravidians) lived in India already and the "refugees" joined them. It is also quite conceivable that there was some migration and interaction between the north and south even before the tragic event. After the submergence of the southern landmass, Pandyan kings established their kingdom in southern India with Madurai as their capital. They ruled from Madurai as late as the 14-th Century AD. Their country, which was part of Tamil Nadu, was called Pandyanadu (or Pandya Nadu).
Padynan dynasty is the oldest of the three ruling dynasties of Tamil Nadu, namely,
the Chera, Chola and Pandya dynasties.
Conclusion:-
The royal emblem of the Padya dynasty is fish. Tamil word for fish is "Meen". Pandyan king is sometimes referred to as "meenavan". Their deity is "Meenatchi" (or Meenashi or Meenakshi). "Meen" means fish (as we said before), and "aatchi" means rule. Thus the name "Meenatchi" may mean "one who rules over the Pandyan dynasty". Even today there is a temple for goddess Meenatchi (Meenashi) in Madurai. Thus fish is an important symbol for Tamils. So the fish symbols in Harappan seals may refer to their ancestral king and/or the goddess. courtesy to http://www.tamiltribune.com
^ V., Kanakasabhai (1997). The Tamils Eighteen Hundred Years Ago. Asian Educational Services.
^ Perumal Thirumozhi
^ Pandyan Inscription
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The spectacular Amber Fort (Amer Fort), the original palace of the city's founding dynasty from the 1590s to 1727, is now within its boundaries, as is the impregnable Jaigarh Fort, with Nahargarh Fort giving the best views over the sprawling city.(Ref)
Timeline
10,000 BC: Stone Age paintings created in the Bhimbetka rock shelters, in what is now Madhya Pradesh; the art continues here for many centuries. Settlements thought to exist across the subcontinent.
4500-3200 BC: Mesolithic site of Bagor
3000-2000 BC: Chalcolithic culture of Ganeshwar, Balathal and Ahar
1500–1200 BC: The Rig-Veda, the first and longest of Hinduism’s canonical texts, the Vedas, is written; three more books follow. Earliest forms of priestly Brahmanical Hinduism emerge.
700 BC: Matsya Kingdom, one of the sixteen Mahajanpadas, its capital was Viratnagar, modern day Bairat
540 BC: The writing of the Mahabharata begins. The longest epic in the world, it takes nearly 250 years to complete and mentions settlements such as Indraprastha, Pushkar and Chittorgarh.
300 BC- 300 AD: Period of small Republics and Kingdoms like Malava, Shivi, Arjunayana, Yaudheya etc.7th century AD: Chavda dynasty establish its rule in south Rajasthan with its capital at Bhinmal.
700 AD Chinese traveler visits a few cities in Rajasthan
1113 Ajay raj II shifted his capital to Ajaymeru(Ajmer) from Shakambhari
This is not history, history means origin. Wikipedia : Jaipur the capital of Rajasthan state in India was founded in 1727 by Maharaj Jai Singh II,[1] who ruled Jaipur State from 1699–1744. Initially his capital was Amber,
Me: Why the history start from 1727 ? Where is the history from 1 BC to 1727 AD ? . With due respect i request the admin, please review it or give me permission to write the untold history of Rajasthan? Matsyameena (talk) 18:38, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
The oral history preserved in the traditional folktales and folklores of this tribe affirm the kingdom of Meena (Mindesh) with its capital at Amber.”Meena history spread over eleventh (11th) and twelfth (12th) century AD.[1]
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Oral History- tells the heroic tales of violent clashes between Meena and Rajput chiefs are centered around Dhundhar- the ancient kingdom of the Meenas. The name Dhundhar is derived from a celebrated sacrificial mount on the western frontiers near Jobner.[2]
At the beginning of the eleventh century, the Kachchhwahs (turtles) from Narwar snatched the territory from the Meenas (fish) of the Matsya region and established the mighty Kachhwaha kingdom of Amber.
The meena's will never give up that’s why RAJPUT and British attack them while they are weaponless
MATSYA to MEENA
Content warning: contains racist language and descriptions of violence.
MATSYA or MEENA was the name of a KSHATRIYA TRIBE
The Rig Veda mentions Pure Kshatriya tribes of ancient India which includes Bhāratas, Meenas, etc.
The Meena King (Raja Ralun Singh) also known as Alan Singh Chanda of Khogong. Kind-heartedly adopted a stranded Rajput mother and her child who sought refuge in his realm. Later, the Meena king sent the child, Dhola Rae, to Delhi to represent the Meena kingdom.
The Rajput, in gratitude for these favours, returned with Rajput conspirers and massacred the weaponless Meenas on Diwali while performing rituals i.e. Pitra Trapan, it is customary in the Meenas to be weaponless at the time of PitraTrapan.
[Tod.II.281] and thus conquered Khogong. This act of Kachwaha Rajputs was termed as most coward and shameful in history.[3][4]
Indus Fish symbol and Vishnu Another interesting coincidence is ‘Vishnu Sahasra nama ‘ describes Vishnu as a Fish –‘Rohithaya’ (name 364). More over Lord Vishnu’s first incarnation was a Fish ( Matsya Avatar) and many Indus scholars agree that the Indus fish symbol denotes god. Fish is drawn on many seals and objects in the Indus valley. This animals are worshipped by the Hindus for thousands of years.
Seal from indus valley , we can saw the FISH sign in many seals and it may refers to an ancient kingdom (matsya kingdom)[6]
Seal from indus valley , we can saw the FISH sign in many seals and it may refers to an ancient kingdom (matsya kingdom)
“The meena's are possibly of inner Asiatic origin, and tradition suggests that they migrated to India in the 7th century . According to evidences and scholars, Meena tribe is one of the oldest tribal community,residing since 30,000 years. Around 7000 BCE, the first known Neolithic settlements appeared on the subcontinent in Mehrgarh.These gradually developed into the Indus Valley Civilisation, the first urban culture in South Asia .
In the Vedic period, around the 5th century BCE, the chiefdoms of the Ganges Plain and the north-western regions had consolidated into 16 major oligarchies and monarchies that were known as the mahajanapadas, in which Matsya janpad of Meena tribe established their kingdom in Rajasthan.
Meengarh(Meena kingdom) was situated somewhere on the bank of river Indus. Here, there were some 152 states of Meenas[7][8][9]. This is contemporary to the period of Indus Valley Civilization (2600 to 1800 bc). The Jaga-ke-pothi mentions that from these 152 states, originated 152 original gotras of Meenas.Matsya Kingdom(proper) & Kalibangan in Rajasthan was a major provincial capital of the Indus Valley Civilization.[10]
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