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== '''The oral history .''' ==
[[File:Colorized image of ancient ALWAR (ULWUR).png|link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Colorized%20image%20of%20ancient%20ALWAR%20(ULWUR).png|thumb|Alwar was a part of the [[Matsya Kingdom]], one of the sixteen ancient [[Mahājanapada|Mahājanapadas]]]]
The oral history preserved in the traditional folktales and folklores of this tribe affirm the kingdom of [[Meena]] (Mindesh) with its capital at Amber.”[[Meena]] history spread over eleventh (11th) and twelfth (12th) century AD.{{Cite journal|last=Misra|first=Pramod|last2=Kapoor|first2=A. K.|date=2002-03|title=Ecology, Economy and Culture : An anthropological profile of the Meena, a Scheduled Tribe of Rajasthan|url=http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/004908570203200201|journal=Social Change|language=en|volume=32|issue=1-2|pages=1–26|doi=10.1177/004908570203200201|issn=0049-0857}}

Oral History- tells the heroic tales of violent clashes between Meena and Rajput chiefs are centered around Dhundhar- the ancient kingdom of the Meenas. The name Dhundhar is derived from a celebrated sacrificial mount on the western frontiers near Jobner.{{Cite web|last=|first=|date=|title=An Anthropological Study of Meena Tribe of Rajasthan|url=http://hdl.handle.net/10603/193763|url-status=live|archive-url=|archive-date=|access-date=|website=}}

At the beginning of the eleventh century, the [[Kachwaha|Kachchhwahs]] (turtles) from Narwar snatched the territory from the [[Meena|Meenas]] (fish) of the [[Matsya]] region and established the mighty Kachhwaha kingdom of Amber.

== '''''MATSYA or MEENA THE KSHATRIYA TRIBE''''' ==
The Rig Veda mentions Pure Kshatriya tribes of ancient India which includes Bhāratas, Meenas, etc.

'''Matsya''': (RV Vll/18/6). A tribe opposing Sudas in the famous [[Battle of the Ten Kings]]. They are to be identified with Machar dan of the Jats on the ground that the Sanskrit Matsya becomes Mach in Prakrit and -ar is a suffix. Mahabharata  records the name of king Virata of the Matsya people, as Machela{{Cite web|title=Sabha Parva, Mahabharata - Jatland Wiki|url=https://www.jatland.com/home/Sabha_Parva|access-date=2020-09-07|website=www.jatland.com}}{{Cite book|last=Dahiya|first=Bhim Singh|url=https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Aryan_Tribes_and_the_Rigveda.html?id=fDkKywAACAAJ&redir_esc=y|title=Aryan Tribes and the Rigveda: A Search for Identity|publisher=Dahinam Publishers|year=1991|isbn=|location=|pages=}}

The book by Alfred Comyn Lyall covers the early formations of Meena cast, their adventures, outlaws, outcast, and refugees generally. The book highlights on the fact of Meenas groups having Bharman and Scythian ancestors. Where most of the Meenas preserve the name of the higher clan or Cast from which founder emigrated and joined Meenas. Some names denote only the founder's original habitation, while other circle bears the names of notorious ancestors.{{Cite book|last=Lyall, Alfred C.|url=http://worldcat.org/oclc/1175710362|title=Asiatic studies, religious snd social : 1: New ed.|date=1899|oclc=1175710362}}

The Meena kings were the early rulers of Rajasthan including Amber (early capital of Jaipur). The book "Culture and Integration of India Tribes" by R.S.Mann mentions that Meenas are considered as a Kshatriya caste equally as Rajputs, and having higher social status in the society. They are well integrated with other higher castes like Brahmins, Gurjaras etc. Brahmins perform all rituals from birth, marriage and death for Meenas like for any other higher Hindu caste.{{Cite book|last=Mann|first=R.S.|title=Culture and Integration of India Tribes|publisher=M.D. Publications Pvt. Ltd|year=1993|isbn=|location=|pages=}}

== '''ANCIENT INDUS VALLEY & MATSYA''' ==
The find from this site belong to the mature Harappan phase as well as later-era PGW phase (Vedic period). The [[Painted Grey Ware culture]] (PGW) probably corresponds to the middle and late [[Vedic period]], i.e., the [[Kuru Kingdom|Kuru]]–[[Panchala]] kingdom, the first large state in South Asia after the decline of the [[Indus Valley Civilization]] (IVC).{{Cite journal|last=Sarbacker|first=Stuart Ray|last2=Patton|first2=Laurie L.|last3=Bronkhorst|first3=Johannes|last4=Chapple|first4=Christopher Key|last5=Wallace|first5=Vesna|date=2011|editor-last=Samuel|editor-first=Geoffrey|title=Contextualizing the History of Yoga in Geoffrey Samuel's "The Origins of Yoga and Tantra": A Review Symposium|url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/41476651|journal=International Journal of Hindu Studies|volume=15|issue=3|pages=303–357|issn=1022-4556}} [[Painted Grey Ware culture]] (PGW) chiefdoms in the region were succeeded by [[Northern Black Polished Ware]] (NBPW).

From c. 700-500 BCE, associated with the rise of the great [[mahajanapada]] states ([[mahajanapada]] states [[Kuru Kingdom|Kuru]], [[Panchala]], [[Matsya Kingdom|Matsya]], [[Surasena]] and [[Vatsa]]){{Cite journal|last=Bhan|first=Suraj|date=2006-12-01|title=North Indian Protohistory and Vedic Aryans|url=http://www.ancient-asia-journal.com/articles/10.5334/aa.06115/|journal=Ancient Asia|language=en|volume=1|issue=0|pages=173–178|doi=10.5334/aa.06115|issn=2042-5937}}

=== Sign of matsya in indus valley civilization ===
[[File:Intaglio seal (H97-3433-7617-01) Indus Fish symbol .png|link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Intaglio%20seal%20(H97-3433-7617-01)%20Indus%20Fish%20symbol%20.png|thumb|[https://www.harappa.com/sites/default/files/slides/56_2_0.jpg source]]]
Indus '''Fish''' symbol and '''[[Vishnu]]''' Another interesting coincidence is ‘Vishnu Sahasra nama ‘ describes Vishnu as a Fish –‘Rohithaya’ (name 364). More over Lord Vishnu’s first incarnation was a Fish ( [[Matsya Purana|Matsya Avatar]]) and many Indus scholars agree that the Indus fish symbol denotes [[god]]. Fish is drawn on many seals and objects in the [[Indus Valley Civilisation|Indus]] valley. This animals are worshipped by the Hindus for thousands of years.
Seal from indus valley , we can saw the '''FISH''' sign in many seals and it may refers to an ancient kingdom ([[Matsya Kingdom|matsya kingdom]]){{Cite journal|last=Karmarkar|first=A. P.|date=1943|title=THE FISH IN INDIAN FOLKLORE AND THE AGE OF THE ATHARVAVEDA|url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/41688499|journal=Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute|volume=24|issue=3/4|pages=191–206|issn=0378-1143}}[[File:Matsya.png|link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Matsya.png|thumb]]

The first '''symbol''' identified by me was “'''fish'''” symbol  ([[Matsya]]), which stood for “'''Ma'''” sound. Interpretation of this symbol is quite easy and simple.{{Cite web|title=Sanskrit Theory Full Version -14 {{!}} Epigraphy {{!}} Sacrifice|url=https://www.scribd.com/document/353483093/Sanskrit-Theory-Full-Version-14|access-date=2020-09-07|website=Scribd|language=en}}

=== Oldest Janpad '''Matsya''' janpad ===
'''''As per Britannica:-''''' The [[Meena]] are possibly of inner Asiatic origin, and tradition suggests that they [[migrated]] to India in the 7th century . According to evidences and [[Scholar|scholars]], Meena [[tribe]] is one of the [[Tribe|oldest tribal]] community,residing since 30,000 years. Around 7000 BCE, the first known [[Neolithic]] settlements appeared on the subcontinent in [[Mehrgarh]].These gradually developed into the [[Indus Valley Civilisation]], the first urban culture in South Asia . It flourished during 2500–1900 BCE in western India. Centred around cities such as [[Mohenjo-daro]], [[Harappa]], [[Dholavira]], and [[Kalibangan]], and relying on varied forms of subsistence, the civilisation engaged robustly in crafts production. During the period 2000–500 BCE, in terms of culture, many regions of the subcontinent transitioned from the [[Chalcolithic]] to the [[Iron Age]]. In the [[Vedic period|Vedic period,]] around the 5th century BCE, the chiefdoms of the Ganges Plain and the north-western regions had consolidated into 16 major oligarchies and [[monarchies]] that were known as the [[Mahajanapadas|'''mahajanapadas''']], in which [[Matsya Kingdom|Matsya janpad]] of [[Meena]] tribe established their kingdom in [[Rajasthan]].{{Cite web|title=Mina {{!}} South Asian people|url=https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mina-South-Asian-people|access-date=2020-09-07|website=Encyclopedia Britannica|language=en}}

=== MEENA'S STILL TALK THE [[Dravidian peoples|DRAVIDIAN]] ? ===

==== Bhil Meenas of Rajasthan are dravidian! ====
In the ancient times Rajasthan was ruled by a dynasty of [[Meena|Meenas]] which had the [[emblem]] of Fish like the [[Pandya dynasty|Pandyan kingdom]] of the south. The [[Meena|Meena kingdom]] ruled the east of the river Jamuna roughly corresponding to the modern [[Jaipur]] and [[Alwar]] (ruler) areas. The meena kingdom (Fish kingdom) was called [[Matsya Kingdom]] in Sanskrit was mentioned in the [[Rigveda|Rig Veda]]. The [[Bhil Meena|Bhil Meenas]] could correspond to the [[Dravidian]] [[Villavar]] ([[Chera dynasty|Chera]]) and [[Meenavar]] ([[Pandya dynasty|Pandya Kingdom]])respectively and may descend from indigenous [[Dravidian]] rulers ([[Alwars]]) originally. Most of the [[Bhil Meena|Bhil Meenavas]] were aryanised even during the [[Vedic period|Vedic Period]] (1500 BC) and were considered as Vedic Tribes and had adopted [[Indo-Aryan languages|Indo Aryan]] languages but a minority of '''''the [[Bhil people|Bhil]] (tribal) [[Meena|Meenas]] still talk [[Dravidian languages|Dravidian]] as their [[Mother-tongue|mother tongue]].''''' {{Cite web|title=SreeNarayanaGuru • VILLAVARS-EZHAVARS-BILLAVAS : Post your General Questions, Queries and information here|url=http://www.gurudevan.info/forum/villavars-ezhavars-billavas-t382.html|access-date=2020-09-07|website=www.gurudevan.info}}{{Cite web|title=Nada r History - [DOCX Document]|url=https://fdocuments.in/document/nada-r-history.html|access-date=2020-09-07|website=fdocuments.in|language=en}}. [[Bhil people|Bhils]] and Meenas are included in the Kshatriya Varna

== '''DNA OF TRIBES ANCIENT TILL NOW''' ==
THE MINA/MEENA AND RAJPUT HAVE A CLOSE GENETIC RELATION ?

=== Abstract :- ===
Rajasthan lies on the northwest border of [[India]], and has acted as a major route for human movements since [[Prehistory|prehistoric]] and historic times. The present study was conducted to gain an insight into inter- and intrapopulation affinities or variations among the six population groups of Rajasthan.
[[File:Figure 2 Neighbour joining tree depicting genomic.gif|link=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Figure%202%20Neighbour%20joining%20tree%20depicting%20genomic.gif|alt=Figure 2. Neighbour joining tree depicting genomic affinities among six ethnic populations of Rajasthan based on six Alu markers|thumb|Figure 2. Neighbour joining tree depicting genomic affinities]]
'''Comparison''' of the six population groups of Rajasthan using a '''neighbour-joining''' tree shows that the [[Rajput|Rajputs]] and [[Meena|Minas]] form a group ''(Figure 2)''.

Ethnically, it has also been reported that the Minas share several clan names with the Rajputs, whereas the [[Damara people|Damaria]], [[Saharia|Saharias]], [[Bhil people|Bhils]], and [[Garasia|Garasias]] all form separate branches which may be attributed to their diverse origins.{{Cite journal|last=Bhasin|first=M. K.|date=2006-09-01|title=Genetics of Castes and Tribes of India: Indian Population Milieu|url=https://doi.org/10.1080/09723757.2006.11885969|journal=International Journal of Human Genetics|volume=6|issue=3|pages=233–274|doi=10.1080/09723757.2006.11885969|issn=0972-3757}}

The Mina population sample taken in the research article is from [[Banswara district|Banswara]] district (core tribal region). Still, Minas are found to be genetically close with Rajputs than other tribal groups of the area. Wondering if Mina tribe samples were taken from North-East ([[Jaipur]], Tonk, [[Alwar district|Alwar]], '''[[Dausa]]''' ) Rajasthan, it may not be a surprise that, Mina and Rajputs in Rajasthan are '''akin'''.{{Cite journal|last=DADA|first=RIMA|last2=SARASWATHY|first2=KALLUR NAVA|last3=MEITEI|first3=KHANGEMBAM SOMIBABU|last4=MONDAL|first4=PRAKASH RANJAN|last5=KAUR|first5=HARPREET|last6=KUCHERIA|first6=KIRAN|last7=BHARDWAJ|first7=SEEMA|last8=IDRIS|first8=GAZNAVI|date=2011|title=Genetic sketch of the six population groups of Rajasthan: a study based on 12 autosomal loci|url=https://doi.org/10.1537/ase.100826|journal=Anthropological Science|volume=119|issue=3|pages=259–264|doi=10.1537/ase.100826|issn=1348-8570}}{{Cite journal|last=Nava Saraswathy|first=Kallur|last2=Pal Sachdeva|first2=Mohinder|last3=Mukhopadhyay|first3=Rupak|last4=Shukla|first4=Deepti|last5=Kiranmala Devi|first5=N.|last6=Rawat|first6=Shweta|last7=Rao|first7=A. P.|last8=Kumar Kalla|first8=Aloke|date=2008-01|title=Diversified genomic contribution among south Indian populations–A study on four endogamous groups of Andhra Pradesh|url=http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/03014460802252258|journal=Annals of Human Biology|volume=35|issue=5|pages=499–508|doi=10.1080/03014460802252258|issn=0301-4460}}
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Contents









The oral history .[edit]





Alwar was a part of the Matsya Kingdom, one of the sixteen ancient Mahājanapadas





The oral history preserved in the traditional folktales and folklores of this tribe affirm the kingdom of Meena (Mindesh) with its capital at Amber.”Meena history spread over eleventh (11th) and twelfth (12th) century AD.[1]





Oral History- tells the heroic tales of violent clashes between Meena and Rajput chiefs are centered around Dhundhar- the ancient kingdom of the Meenas. The name Dhundhar is derived from a celebrated sacrificial mount on the western frontiers near Jobner.[2]





At the beginning of the eleventh century, the Kachchhwahs (turtles) from Narwar snatched the territory from the Meenas (fish) of the Matsya region and established the mighty Kachhwaha kingdom of Amber.





MATSYA or MEENA THE KSHATRIYA TRIBE[edit]





The Rig Veda mentions Pure Kshatriya tribes of ancient India which includes Bhāratas, Meenas, etc.





Matsya: (RV Vll/18/6). A tribe opposing Sudas in the famous Battle of the Ten Kings. They are to be identified with Machar dan of the Jats on the ground that the Sanskrit Matsya becomes Mach in Prakrit and -ar is a suffix. Mahabharata  records the name of king Virata of the Matsya people, as Machela[3][4]





The book by Alfred Comyn Lyall covers the early formations of Meena cast, their adventures, outlaws, outcast, and refugees generally. The book highlights on the fact of Meenas groups having Bharman and Scythian ancestors. Where most of the Meenas preserve the name of the higher clan or Cast from which founder emigrated and joined Meenas. Some names denote only the founder's original habitation, while other circle bears the names of notorious ancestors.[5]





The Meena kings were the early rulers of Rajasthan including Amber (early capital of Jaipur). The book "Culture and Integration of India Tribes" by R.S.Mann mentions that Meenas are considered as a Kshatriya caste equally as Rajputs, and having higher social status in the society. They are well integrated with other higher castes like Brahmins, Gurjaras etc. Brahmins perform all rituals from birth, marriage and death for Meenas like for any other higher Hindu caste.[6]





ANCIENT INDUS VALLEY & MATSYA[edit]





The find from this site belong to the mature Harappan phase as well as later-era PGW phase (Vedic period). The Painted Grey Ware culture (PGW) probably corresponds to the middle and late Vedic period, i.e., the Kuru–Panchala kingdom, the first large state in South Asia after the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC).[7] Painted Grey Ware culture (PGW) chiefdoms in the region were succeeded by Northern Black Polished Ware (NBPW).





From c. 700-500 BCE, associated with the rise of the great mahajanapada states (mahajanapada states Kuru, Panchala, Matsya, Surasena and Vatsa)[8]





Sign of matsya in indus valley civilization[edit]





source





Indus Fish symbol and Vishnu Another interesting coincidence is ‘Vishnu Sahasra nama ‘ describes Vishnu as a Fish –‘Rohithaya’ (name 364). More over Lord Vishnu’s first incarnation was a Fish ( Matsya Avatar) and many Indus scholars agree that the Indus fish symbol denotes god. Fish is drawn on many seals and objects in the Indus valley. This animals are worshipped by the Hindus for thousands of years.





Seal from indus valley , we can saw the FISH sign in many seals and it may refers to an ancient kingdom (matsya kingdom)[9]





Matsya.png




The first symbol identified by me was “fish” symbol  (Matsya), which stood for “Ma” sound. Interpretation of this symbol is quite easy and simple.[10]





Oldest Janpad Matsya janpad[edit]





As per Britannica:- The Meena are possibly of inner Asiatic origin, and tradition suggests that they migrated to India in the 7th century . According to evidences and scholars, Meena tribe is one of the oldest tribal community,residing since 30,000 years. Around 7000 BCE, the first known Neolithic settlements appeared on the subcontinent in Mehrgarh.These gradually developed into the Indus Valley Civilisation, the first urban culture in South Asia . It flourished during 2500–1900 BCE in western India. Centred around cities such as Mohenjo-daro, Harappa, Dholavira, and Kalibangan, and relying on varied forms of subsistence, the civilisation engaged robustly in crafts production. During the period 2000–500 BCE, in terms of culture, many regions of the subcontinent transitioned from the Chalcolithic to the Iron Age. In the Vedic period, around the 5th century BCE, the chiefdoms of the Ganges Plain and the north-western regions had consolidated into 16 major oligarchies and monarchies that were known as the mahajanapadas, in which Matsya janpad of Meena tribe established their kingdom in Rajasthan.[11]





MEENA'S STILL TALK THE DRAVIDIAN ?[edit]





Bhil Meenas of Rajasthan are dravidian![edit]





In the ancient times Rajasthan was ruled by a dynasty of Meenas which had the emblem of Fish like the Pandyan kingdom of the south. The Meena kingdom ruled the east of the river Jamuna roughly corresponding to the modern Jaipur and Alwar (ruler) areas. The meena kingdom (Fish kingdom) was called Matsya Kingdom in Sanskrit was mentioned in the Rig Veda. The Bhil Meenas could correspond to the Dravidian Villavar (Chera) and Meenavar (Pandya Kingdom)respectively and may descend from indigenous Dravidian rulers (Alwars) originally. Most of the Bhil Meenavas were aryanised even during the Vedic Period (1500 BC) and were considered as Vedic Tribes and had adopted Indo Aryan languages but a minority of the Bhil (tribal) Meenas still talk Dravidian as their mother tongue. [12][13]. Bhils and Meenas are included in the Kshatriya Varna.





DNA OF TRIBES ANCIENT TILL NOW[edit]





THE MINA/MEENA AND RAJPUT HAVE A CLOSE GENETIC RELATION ?





Abstract :-[edit]





Rajasthan lies on the northwest border of India, and has acted as a major route for human movements since prehistoric and historic times. The present study was conducted to gain an insight into inter- and intrapopulation affinities or variations among the six population groups of Rajasthan.Figure 2. Neighbour joining tree depicting genomic affinities





Comparison of the six population groups of Rajasthan using a neighbour-joining tree shows that the Rajputs and Minas form a group (Figure 2).





Ethnically, it has also been reported that the Minas share several clan names with the Rajputs, whereas the Damaria, Saharias, Bhils, and Garasias all form separate branches which may be attributed to their diverse origins.[14]





The Mina population sample taken in the research article is from Banswara district (core tribal region). Still, Minas are found to be genetically close with Rajputs than other tribal groups of the area. Wondering if Mina tribe samples were taken from North-East (Jaipur, Tonk, Alwar, Dausa ) Rajasthan, it may not be a surprise that, Mina and Rajputs in Rajasthan are akin.[15][16]





  1. ^ Misra, Pramod; Kapoor, A. K. (2002-03). "Ecology, Economy and Culture : An anthropological profile of the Meena, a Scheduled Tribe of Rajasthan". Social Change. 32(1–2): 1–26. doi:10.1177/004908570203200201. ISSN 0049-0857. Check date values in: |date= (help)
  2. ^ "An Anthropological Study of Meena Tribe of Rajasthan".
  3. ^ "Sabha Parva, Mahabharata - Jatland Wiki". www.jatland.com. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  4. ^ Dahiya, Bhim Singh (1991). Aryan Tribes and the Rigveda: A Search for Identity. Dahinam Publishers.
  5. ^ Lyall, Alfred C. (1899). Asiatic studies, religious snd social : 1: New ed. OCLC 1175710362.
  6. ^ Mann, R.S. (1993). Culture and Integration of India Tribes. M.D. Publications Pvt. Ltd.
  7. ^ Sarbacker, Stuart Ray; Patton, Laurie L.; Bronkhorst, Johannes; Chapple, Christopher Key; Wallace, Vesna (2011). Samuel, Geoffrey (ed.). "Contextualizing the History of Yoga in Geoffrey Samuel's "The Origins of Yoga and Tantra": A Review Symposium". International Journal of Hindu Studies. 15 (3): 303–357. ISSN 1022-4556.
  8. ^ Bhan, Suraj (2006-12-01). "North Indian Protohistory and Vedic Aryans". Ancient Asia. 1(0): 173–178. doi:10.5334/aa.06115. ISSN 2042-5937.
  9. ^ Karmarkar, A. P. (1943). "THE FISH IN INDIAN FOLKLORE AND THE AGE OF THE ATHARVAVEDA". Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute. 24 (3/4): 191–206. ISSN 0378-1143.
  10. ^ "Sanskrit Theory Full Version -14 | Epigraphy | Sacrifice". Scribd. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  11. ^ "Mina | South Asian people". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  12. ^ "SreeNarayanaGuru • VILLAVARS-EZHAVARS-BILLAVAS : Post your General Questions, Queries and information here". www.gurudevan.info. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  13. ^ "Nada r History - [DOCX Document]". fdocuments.in. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  14. ^ Bhasin, M. K. (2006-09-01). "Genetics of Castes and Tribes of India: Indian Population Milieu". International Journal of Human Genetics. 6 (3): 233–274. doi:10.1080/09723757.2006.11885969. ISSN 0972-3757.
  15. ^ DADA, RIMA; SARASWATHY, KALLUR NAVA; MEITEI, KHANGEMBAM SOMIBABU; MONDAL, PRAKASH RANJAN; KAUR, HARPREET; KUCHERIA, KIRAN; BHARDWAJ, SEEMA; IDRIS, GAZNAVI (2011). "Genetic sketch of the six population groups of Rajasthan: a study based on 12 autosomal loci". Anthropological Science. 119 (3): 259–264. doi:10.1537/ase.100826. ISSN 1348-8570.
  16. ^ Nava Saraswathy, Kallur; Pal Sachdeva, Mohinder; Mukhopadhyay, Rupak; Shukla, Deepti; Kiranmala Devi, N.; Rawat, Shweta; Rao, A. P.; Kumar Kalla, Aloke (2008-01). "Diversified genomic contribution among south Indian populations–A study on four endogamous groups of Andhra Pradesh". Annals of Human Biology. 35 (5): 499–508. doi:10.1080/03014460802252258. ISSN 0301-4460. Check date values in: |date=(help)
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Contents









The oral history .[edit]





Alwar was a part of the Matsya Kingdom, one of the sixteen ancient Mahājanapadas





The oral history preserved in the traditional folktales and folklores of this tribe affirm the kingdom of Meena (Mindesh) with its capital at Amber.”Meena history spread over eleventh (11th) and twelfth (12th) century AD.[1]





Oral History- tells the heroic tales of violent clashes between Meena and Rajput chiefs are centered around Dhundhar- the ancient kingdom of the Meenas. The name Dhundhar is derived from a celebrated sacrificial mount on the western frontiers near Jobner.[2]





At the beginning of the eleventh century, the Kachchhwahs (turtles) from Narwar snatched the territory from the Meenas (fish) of the Matsya region and established the mighty Kachhwaha kingdom of Amber.





MATSYA or MEENA THE KSHATRIYA TRIBE[edit]





The Rig Veda mentions Pure Kshatriya tribes of ancient India which includes Bhāratas, Meenas, etc.





Matsya: (RV Vll/18/6). A tribe opposing Sudas in the famous Battle of the Ten Kings. They are to be identified with Machar dan of the Jats on the ground that the Sanskrit Matsya becomes Mach in Prakrit and -ar is a suffix. Mahabharata  records the name of king Virata of the Matsya people, as Machela[3][4]





The book by Alfred Comyn Lyall covers the early formations of Meena cast, their adventures, outlaws, outcast, and refugees generally. The book highlights on the fact of Meenas groups having Bharman and Scythian ancestors. Where most of the Meenas preserve the name of the higher clan or Cast from which founder emigrated and joined Meenas. Some names denote only the founder's original habitation, while other circle bears the names of notorious ancestors.[5]





The Meena kings were the early rulers of Rajasthan including Amber (early capital of Jaipur). The book "Culture and Integration of India Tribes" by R.S.Mann mentions that Meenas are considered as a Kshatriya caste equally as Rajputs, and having higher social status in the society. They are well integrated with other higher castes like Brahmins, Gurjaras etc. Brahmins perform all rituals from birth, marriage and death for Meenas like for any other higher Hindu caste.[6]





ANCIENT INDUS VALLEY & MATSYA[edit]





The find from this site belong to the mature Harappan phase as well as later-era PGW phase (Vedic period). The Painted Grey Ware culture (PGW) probably corresponds to the middle and late Vedic period, i.e., the Kuru–Panchala kingdom, the first large state in South Asia after the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC).[7] Painted Grey Ware culture (PGW) chiefdoms in the region were succeeded by Northern Black Polished Ware (NBPW).





From c. 700-500 BCE, associated with the rise of the great mahajanapada states (mahajanapada states Kuru, Panchala, Matsya, Surasena and Vatsa)[8]





Sign of matsya in indus valley civilization[edit]





source





Indus Fish symbol and Vishnu Another interesting coincidence is ‘Vishnu Sahasra nama ‘ describes Vishnu as a Fish –‘Rohithaya’ (name 364). More over Lord Vishnu’s first incarnation was a Fish ( Matsya Avatar) and many Indus scholars agree that the Indus fish symbol denotes god. Fish is drawn on many seals and objects in the Indus valley. This animals are worshipped by the Hindus for thousands of years.





Seal from indus valley , we can saw the FISH sign in many seals and it may refers to an ancient kingdom (matsya kingdom)[9]





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The first symbol identified by me was “fish” symbol  (Matsya), which stood for “Ma” sound. Interpretation of this symbol is quite easy and simple.[10]





Oldest Janpad Matsya janpad[edit]





As per Britannica:- The Meena are possibly of inner Asiatic origin, and tradition suggests that they migrated to India in the 7th century . According to evidences and scholars, Meena tribe is one of the oldest tribal community,residing since 30,000 years. Around 7000 BCE, the first known Neolithic settlements appeared on the subcontinent in Mehrgarh.These gradually developed into the Indus Valley Civilisation, the first urban culture in South Asia . It flourished during 2500–1900 BCE in western India. Centred around cities such as Mohenjo-daro, Harappa, Dholavira, and Kalibangan, and relying on varied forms of subsistence, the civilisation engaged robustly in crafts production. During the period 2000–500 BCE, in terms of culture, many regions of the subcontinent transitioned from the Chalcolithic to the Iron Age. In the Vedic period, around the 5th century BCE, the chiefdoms of the Ganges Plain and the north-western regions had consolidated into 16 major oligarchies and monarchies that were known as the mahajanapadas, in which Matsya janpad of Meena tribe established their kingdom in Rajasthan.[11]





THE DRAVIDIAN ?[edit]





Bhil Meenas of Rajasthan are dravidian![edit]





In the ancient times Rajasthan was ruled by a dynasty of Meenas which had the emblem of Fish like the Pandyan kingdom of the south. The Meena kingdom ruled the east of the river Jamuna roughly corresponding to the modern Jaipur and Alwar (ruler) areas. The meena kingdom (Fish kingdom) was called Matsya Kingdom in Sanskrit was mentioned in the Rig Veda. The Bhil Meenas could correspond to the Dravidian Villavar (Chera) and Meenavar (Pandya Kingdom)respectively and may descend from indigenous Dravidian rulers (Alwars) originally. Most of the Bhil Meenavas were aryanised even during the Vedic Period (1500 BC) and were considered as Vedic Tribes and had adopted Indo Aryan languages but a minority of the Bhil (tribal) Meenas still talk Dravidian as their mother tongue. [12][13]. Bhils and Meenas are included in the Kshatriya Varna.





  1. ^ Misra, Pramod; Kapoor, A. K. (2002-03). "Ecology, Economy and Culture : An anthropological profile of the Meena, a Scheduled Tribe of Rajasthan". Social Change. 32(1–2): 1–26. doi:10.1177/004908570203200201. ISSN 0049-0857. Check date values in: |date= (help)
  2. ^ "An Anthropological Study of Meena Tribe of Rajasthan".
  3. ^ "Sabha Parva, Mahabharata - Jatland Wiki". www.jatland.com. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  4. ^ Dahiya, Bhim Singh (1991). Aryan Tribes and the Rigveda: A Search for Identity. Dahinam Publishers.
  5. ^ Lyall, Alfred C. (1899). Asiatic studies, religious snd social : 1: New ed. OCLC 1175710362.
  6. ^ Mann, R.S. (1993). Culture and Integration of India Tribes. M.D. Publications Pvt. Ltd.
  7. ^ Sarbacker, Stuart Ray; Patton, Laurie L.; Bronkhorst, Johannes; Chapple, Christopher Key; Wallace, Vesna (2011). Samuel, Geoffrey (ed.). "Contextualizing the History of Yoga in Geoffrey Samuel's "The Origins of Yoga and Tantra": A Review Symposium". International Journal of Hindu Studies. 15 (3): 303–357. ISSN 1022-4556.
  8. ^ Bhan, Suraj (2006-12-01). "North Indian Protohistory and Vedic Aryans". Ancient Asia. 1(0): 173–178. doi:10.5334/aa.06115. ISSN 2042-5937.
  9. ^ Karmarkar, A. P. (1943). "THE FISH IN INDIAN FOLKLORE AND THE AGE OF THE ATHARVAVEDA". Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute. 24 (3/4): 191–206. ISSN 0378-1143.
  10. ^ "Sanskrit Theory Full Version -14 | Epigraphy | Sacrifice". Scribd. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  11. ^ "Mina | South Asian people". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  12. ^ "SreeNarayanaGuru • VILLAVARS-EZHAVARS-BILLAVAS : Post your General Questions, Queries and information here". www.gurudevan.info. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  13. ^ "Nada r History - [DOCX Document]". fdocuments.in. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
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The oral history .





Alwar was a part of the Matsya Kingdom, one of the sixteen ancient Mahājanapadas




The oral history preserved in the traditional folktales and folklores of this tribe affirm the kingdom of Meena (Mindesh) with its capital at Amber.”Meena history spread over eleventh (11th) and twelfth (12th) century AD.[1]





Oral History- tells the heroic tales of violent clashes between Meena and Rajput chiefs are centered around Dhundhar- the ancient kingdom of the Meenas. The name Dhundhar is derived from a celebrated sacrificial mount on the western frontiers near Jobner.[2]





At the beginning of the eleventh century, the Kachchhwahs (turtles) from Narwar snatched the territory from the Meenas (fish) of the Matsya region and established the mighty Kachhwaha kingdom of Amber.





MATSYA or MEENA THE KSHATRIYA TRIBE





The Rig Veda mentions Pure Kshatriya tribes of ancient India which includes Bhāratas, Meenas, etc.





Matsya: (RV Vll/18/6). A tribe opposing Sudas in the famous Battle of the Ten Kings. They are to be identified with Machar dan of the Jats on the ground that the Sanskrit Matsya becomes Mach in Prakrit and -ar is a suffix. Mahabharata  records the name of king Virata of the Matsya people, as Machela[3][4]





The book by Alfred Comyn Lyall covers the early formations of Meena cast, their adventures, outlaws, outcast, and refugees generally. The book highlights on the fact of Meenas groups having Bharman and Scythian ancestors. Where most of the Meenas preserve the name of the higher clan or Cast from which founder emigrated and joined Meenas. Some names denote only the founder's original habitation, while other circle bears the names of notorious ancestors.[5]





The Meena kings were the early rulers of Rajasthan including Amber (early capital of Jaipur). The book "Culture and Integration of India Tribes" by R.S.Mann mentions that Meenas are considered as a Kshatriya caste equally as Rajputs, and having higher social status in the society. They are well integrated with other higher castes like Brahmins, Gurjaras etc. Brahmins perform all rituals from birth, marriage and death for Meenas like for any other higher Hindu caste.[6]





ANCIENT INDUS VALLEY & MATSYA





The find from this site belong to the mature Harappan phase as well as later-era PGW phase (Vedic period). The Painted Grey Ware culture (PGW) probably corresponds to the middle and late Vedic period, i.e., the Kuru–Panchala kingdom, the first large state in South Asia after the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC).[7] Painted Grey Ware culture (PGW) chiefdoms in the region were succeeded by Northern Black Polished Ware (NBPW).





From c. 700-500 BCE, associated with the rise of the great mahajanapada states (mahajanapada states Kuru, Panchala, Matsya, Surasena and Vatsa)[8]





Sign of matsya in indus valley civilization





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Indus Fish symbol and Vishnu Another interesting coincidence is ‘Vishnu Sahasra nama ‘ describes Vishnu as a Fish –‘Rohithaya’ (name 364). More over Lord Vishnu’s first incarnation was a Fish ( Matsya Avatar) and many Indus scholars agree that the Indus fish symbol denotes god. Fish is drawn on many seals and objects in the Indus valley. This animals are worshipped by the Hindus for thousands of years.





Seal from indus valley , we can saw the FISH sign in many seals and it may refers to an ancient kingdom (matsya kingdom)[9]









The first symbol identified by me was “fish” symbol  (Matsya), which stood for “Ma” sound. Interpretation of this symbol is quite easy and simple.[10]





Oldest Janpad Matsya janpad





As per Britannica:- The Meena are possibly of inner Asiatic origin, and tradition suggests that they migrated to India in the 7th century . According to evidences and scholars, Meena tribe is one of the oldest tribal community,residing since 30,000 years. Around 7000 BCE, the first known Neolithic settlements appeared on the subcontinent in Mehrgarh.These gradually developed into the Indus Valley Civilisation, the first urban culture in South Asia . It flourished during 2500–1900 BCE in western India. Centred around cities such as Mohenjo-daro, Harappa, Dholavira, and Kalibangan, and relying on varied forms of subsistence, the civilisation engaged robustly in crafts production. During the period 2000–500 BCE, in terms of culture, many regions of the subcontinent transitioned from the Chalcolithic to the Iron Age. In the Vedic period, around the 5th century BCE, the chiefdoms of the Ganges Plain and the north-western regions had consolidated into 16 major oligarchies and monarchies that were known as the mahajanapadas, in which Matsya janpad of Meena tribe established their kingdom in Rajasthan.[11]





THE DRAVIDIAN ?





Bhil Meenas of Rajasthan are dravidian!





In the ancient times Rajasthan was ruled by a dynasty of Meenas which had the emblem of Fish like the Pandyan kingdom of the south. The Meena kingdom ruled the east of the river Jamuna roughly corresponding to the modern Jaipur and Alwar (ruler) areas. The meena kingdom (Fish kingdom) was called Matsya Kingdom in Sanskrit was mentioned in the Rig Veda. The Bhil Meenas could correspond to the Dravidian Villavar (Chera) and Meenavar (Pandya Kingdom)respectively and may descend from indigenous Dravidian rulers (Alwars) originally. Most of the Bhil Meenavas were aryanised even during the Vedic Period (1500 BC) and were considered as Vedic Tribes and had adopted Indo Aryan languages but a minority of the Bhil (tribal) Meenas still talk Dravidian as their mother tongue. [12][13]. Bhils and Meenas are included in the Kshatriya Varna[14]





  1.  Misra, Pramod; Kapoor, A. K. (2002-03). "Ecology, Economy and Culture : An anthropological profile of the Meena, a Scheduled Tribe of Rajasthan". Social Change. 32(1–2): 1–26. doi:10.1177/004908570203200201. ISSN 0049-0857. Check date values in: |date= (help)
  2. ^ "An Anthropological Study of Meena Tribe of Rajasthan".
  3. ^ "Sabha Parva, Mahabharata - Jatland Wiki". www.jatland.com. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  4. ^ Dahiya, Bhim Singh (1991). Aryan Tribes and the Rigveda: A Search for Identity. Dahinam Publishers.
  5. ^ Lyall, Alfred C. (1899). Asiatic studies, religious snd social : 1: New ed. OCLC 1175710362.
  6. ^ Mann, R.S. (1993). Culture and Integration of India Tribes. M.D. Publications Pvt. Ltd.
  7. ^ Sarbacker, Stuart Ray; Patton, Laurie L.; Bronkhorst, Johannes; Chapple, Christopher Key; Wallace, Vesna (2011). Samuel, Geoffrey (ed.). "Contextualizing the History of Yoga in Geoffrey Samuel's "The Origins of Yoga and Tantra": A Review Symposium". International Journal of Hindu Studies. 15 (3): 303–357. ISSN 1022-4556.
  8. ^ Bhan, Suraj (2006-12-01). "North Indian Protohistory and Vedic Aryans". Ancient Asia. 1(0): 173–178. doi:10.5334/aa.06115. ISSN 2042-5937.
  9. ^ Karmarkar, A. P. (1943). "THE FISH IN INDIAN FOLKLORE AND THE AGE OF THE ATHARVAVEDA". Annals of the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute. 24 (3/4): 191–206. ISSN 0378-1143.
  10. ^ "Sanskrit Theory Full Version -14 | Epigraphy | Sacrifice". Scribd. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  11. ^ "Mina | South Asian people". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  12. ^ "SreeNarayanaGuru • VILLAVARS-EZHAVARS-BILLAVAS : Post your General Questions, Queries and information here". www.gurudevan.info. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
  13. ^ "Nada r History - [DOCX Document]". fdocuments.in. Retrieved 2020-09-07.
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There are still places known as "Pandupol" near Virat Nagar. After Pandavas went to Himalaya, the son delivered by Uttarā was "Parikhishit" who inherited Pandavas and ruled India. Uttarā was pregnant then. His son Janmejay did a Yagya to finish all Nagas at "Nagdah" known as "Nagada" now in MP. They ruled this area (near to Virat Nagar) till 11 th century. The city of this Janpad was "Virat Nagar", now known as "Bairath" and renamed as Virata Nagar again. In the epic Mahabharata, Uttarm, the prince of Meena Kingdom and the son of King Virata, at whose court the Pandavas spent a year in concealment during their exile. Meenas are the brothers and kinsmen of Virata, the ruler of Virat Nagar. After Abhimanyu died in battle of Kurukshetra, and all Pandav sons were killed by Ashwathama they were left without progeny. Among their last Kingdoms Dhundhar was the biggest and later on the region was governed by the Kachwaha dynasty from the 11th century until after India's independence in 1947. He was killed by "Takshak" a Naga or Nagvanshi Khastriya. Abhimanyu the son of Arjun and great warrior married to daughter of King of Virat Nagar the princess was named Uttarā. King Virat and all his sons and brothers were killed at Kurukshetra in Mahabharat. At the time of great Epic Mahabharat was written there was a Janpad known as "Matsya Janpad". The Pandavas got shelter there for one year. Some of clan brothers ruled this area after him. Many historical evidence is recovered from this area all belonging to time of Lord Buddha. He was the brother of Uttarā, who married Arjuna's son.





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